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Question: How do you see the economic reprecussions of the hike in gas?  (Voting closed: July 06, 2008, 11:29:32 am)
Serious advancements in getting 'green' - 3 (27.3%)
Government bending to the needs of the country - 1 (9.1%)
Dramatic increase in crime - 0 (0%)
Things'll be tough but otherwise okay - 3 (27.3%)
the Greatest Depression - 4 (36.4%)
Total Voters: 11

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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2008, 11:58:22 am »


Only so much oil...that could be a direct quote from the '70s. There was a commercial running then with a dinosaur going extinct that said the same thing. Everyone was looking for alternative fuel sources and cutting back oil consumption. Then, oil was found in Saudi, end of crisis....only it shouldn't have been. Just because we didn't have to worry right at that moment about any shortages it was still eventually going to run out. 

So in essence this is a case of never learning from the last time something like this happened?  And now we're paying for it.

Where is an emoticon that says I'm disgusted that I find this slightly amusing?
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2008, 04:31:41 pm »

Actually, these are only aliases. Their real names are Stuhldreher, Miller, Crowley and Layden.

That's the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame. Shocked
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« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2008, 07:54:14 pm »

If you're talking about the four horsemen of conquest, war, famine and death, then yea I think they're here. 

I thought it was War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death.

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« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2008, 10:47:33 pm »

That's the Four Horsemen of Notre Dame. Shocked

And here I didn't think anybody'd get it!
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« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2008, 11:14:58 pm »

If you're talking about the four horsemen of conquest, war, famine and death, then yea I think they're here. 

Something that I've always found funny, the four horsemen sort of (loosely) correlate to the youngest four male deities in the major Greek pantheon.

Think about it…

War = Ares (No brainer right?)
Pestilence/Disease = Apollo (Raining plagues on the Greeks at Troy, etc…)
Famine = Dionysus (He’s typically a God of Plenty, but I’m willing to bet when all the food was drying up they started praying to him a bit harder.)
Death = Hermes (The god who escorts people to the underworld. Again, no brainer…)

I know it’s VERY loose, but I think it’s interesting…
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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008, 12:31:56 am »

Something that I've always found funny, the four horsemen sort of (loosely) correlate to the youngest four male deities in the major Greek pantheon.

Think about it…

War = Ares (No brainer right?)
Pestilence/Disease = Apollo (Raining plagues on the Greeks at Troy, etc…)
Famine = Dionysus (He’s typically a God of Plenty, but I’m willing to bet when all the food was drying up they started praying to him a bit harder.)
Death = Hermes (The god who escorts people to the underworld. Again, no brainer…)

I know it’s VERY loose, but I think it’s interesting…


By 'pantheon' you did mean 'Olympians' right?  Because children and grandchildren of those four are also apart of the Pantheon Wink

It's interesting, though, but I normally associate famine with Demeter.  Dionysus maybe if it involves grape vines or possibly fruit trees but I think the staple food crops fell under her domain.  Plus, there is a record in myth of her causing famines.

The other three are spot-on though.

ETA: And what about Hephaestus?  I always thought he is younger than Ares.
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2008, 01:04:54 am »

By 'pantheon' you did mean 'Olympians' right?  Because children and grandchildren of those four are also apart of the Pantheon Wink

I love you, but refuse to have this argument. You know who I meant. Major (top), general (everybody else)...

It's interesting, though, but I normally associate famine with Demeter.  Dionysus maybe if it involves grape vines or possibly fruit trees but I think the staple food crops fell under her domain.  Plus, there is a record in myth of her causing famines.

This is true, I suppose that's one that depends on the individual, and one's own upg. To me Demeter's seems softer, and more kind and nurturing. While Dionysus leaves no doubt in my mind that he would dry up crops in an effort to rid himself of some of his least favorite people...

ETA: And what about Hephaestus?  I always thought he is younger than Ares.

Again individual views I guess, I've always seen Hephaestus as much more grown-up, for lack of a better term, than the other four, including Ares. He was actually settled in mythology, not just whoring and running around causing mayhem. ( <= I'll probably be in trouble for that, but ah well, they'll forgive me or kill me...)

ETA: My previous edit only changed the word ground to crops... Nothing major...
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2008, 01:56:19 am »

I have been told I have a 'gift' of fore-sight, I know there are others out there.  I have had some lucid dreams of things approaching and i am curious if anyone else has been experiencing simular 'visions' or if seemingly predicatble pattern is drawing nigh....thanks for any participation.  Many Blessings.  Jadedvon Wolfhaven

Alright, here’s my doomsday prophecy. The world will continue its long and rather tragic pattern of eventually crippling and obliterating successful empires and individuals.

They come, They grow, and They die…

The Divine Life Force kicks our asses once again…

Just like every other society’s time in power this one too shall pass. Nothing on this earth is permanent and any Country, or Religion, in Question, is no exception.

I hold no stock in attempting to predict the future ills or fortunes which may befall you, or society, in the future, I’ve done it. There is nothing on this earth which could convince me it’s a worth while pursuit for anyone less than the stark, raving mad, or attention hungry. It will only frustrate any attempts at one’s own abilities to enjoy what time we do have upon this planet.  It was at one point, until very recently, it was a major part of my life.

And you know what? I wasn’t especially happy, I was constantly worried about anything and everything that may, or may not happen. Now I do very little divination, and you know what it doesn’t bother me.

I now LIVE my life without trying to look into the future every 15 minutes; I still dabble, occasionally I’ll ask about something personal if I have a hunch, but my days of trying to divine the world’s worries are over. I’m nobody’s prophet or savior, least of all my own, and, honestly, I kind of like it…

ETA: Odd Phrasing in 5th paragraph...
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2008, 04:29:55 am »

I love you, but refuse to have this argument. You know who I meant. Major (top), general (everybody else)...

I think it was fairly obvious who you meant, but the terminology was incorrect, hence the correction.  This is SOP for this forum, which you've been here long enough to be well aware of.  Correct terminology matters to a lot of our membership.  It's not about an "argument", it's about everyone understanding the conversation and the way words are being used within the conversation.

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Again individual views I guess, I've always seen Hephaestus as much more grown-up, for lack of a better term, than the other four, including Ares.

If you're talking about who is younger vs. older in terms of who was born first, I wouldn't think it's so much up to individual views.  I'd think the mythology would have something to say about it.  (To say nothing of younger vs. older in the sense of who shows up in mythology earliest, which of course is a question of historical fact.)  I don't know what that something is, but I don't think this is a question to be solved by UPG alone.  Who has younger vs. older attitudes or personalities, or who "feels" younger or older, might be another question, of course.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2008, 06:47:44 am »

Something that I've always found funny, the four horsemen sort of (loosely) correlate to the youngest four male deities in the major Greek pantheon.

I suspect you could loosely link the four horseman to many pantheons.
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2008, 07:22:14 am »

I suspect you could loosely link the four horseman to many pantheons.

And a point to Randall.

Continuing with the Greek Pantheon you have:

War=Athena
Famine=Demeter
Pestilence=Artemis
Death=Persephone, maybe Artemis as well.

I don't know enough about other pantheons to draw examples from, but in the Egyptian, deities such as Set and Sekhmet probably could represent multiple spots.
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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2008, 08:49:57 am »

I suspect you could loosely link the four horseman to many pantheons.

This may be true, but I only have a really in depth understanding of the greeks, so that's who I noticed...
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2008, 08:52:57 am »

And a point to Randall.

Continuing with the Greek Pantheon you have:

War=Athena

War in the "Four Horseman of the Apocalypse" sense would probably be Ares rather than Athena. Ares loved the destruction and chaos of war, after all.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2008, 08:54:50 am »

I think it was fairly obvious who you meant, but the terminology was incorrect, hence the correction.  This is SOP for this forum, which you've been here long enough to be well aware of.  Correct terminology matters to a lot of our membership.  It's not about an "argument", it's about everyone understanding the conversation and the way words are being used within the conversation.

I understand that, but it is an argument I've had before on and off this forum. I've been told they're supposed to be called the Major Greek Pantheon or the Olympians, and I've gotten very tired of worrying about it, and especially of arguing about it.

Are they usually called the Olympians here? I've not really had a lot of conversation about them here.

And I'm very sorry if it came across as rude, it was late and I was tired. I'm sorry if it came across as harsh, sorry, Melamphoros.

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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2008, 08:55:58 am »

War in the "Four Horseman of the Apocalypse" sense would probably be Ares rather than Athena. Ares loved the destruction and chaos of war, after all.

*facepalm*

Just goes to show my grasp of the NT.  So I think it would be appropriate to sub Eris or Enyo for Athena in my previous post.
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