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« on: July 05, 2008, 08:38:44 pm »

JERUSALEM — A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.

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« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2008, 09:23:39 pm »

JERUSALEM — A three-foot-tall tablet with 87 lines of Hebrew that scholars believe dates from the decades just before the birth of Jesus is causing a quiet stir in biblical and archaeological circles, especially because it may speak of a messiah who will rise from the dead after three days.

I hope Koi sees this as I suspect she will have a much better idea of what is going on here than I do.
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 06:58:12 am »

I hope Koi sees this as I suspect she will have a much better idea of what is going on here than I do.

I'm actually slightly confused by a few things, some of which is probably just the NY Times's reporting (I think they're overreporting the "conflicting" views and presenting a couple things as the consensus position of NT scholarship when it isn't -- but some of that is who they're quoting) but we're already aware there are competing Messianic traditions in the era -- Maccabeans, Simon Bar Kochba, Jesus, etc. -- with competing ideas of what a Messiah is. (And also of Jews whose attitude is, "cut it out with the Messiahs, every time you follow one, Rome kicks the crap out of us.") This does place the motif of the suffering Messiah at an earlier date, but I think "Jesus as sufferer" is only novel if you disregard the importance of suffering as a motif in the wisdom literature of the Tanakh. Contrary to what one of those scholars is trying to suggest Christian scholars suggest, Jesus is part of a tradition and doesn't spring full-formed from the middle of nowhere, and the period is bracketed by two apocalyptic texts (Daniel and Revelations) and full of all kinds of social, political, and religious crazy.

I think scholastically it's a major find, particularly the "three days" bit if that works out -- very interesting to see that specific part of the Jesus story developed before Jesus, and I think the text as a whole could have interesting implications for our understanding of Jesus's self-understanding (as the various 20th century finds have done) -- but I don't think it radically rewrites our understanding of the era as a whole. I think the Times is conflating two things there -- its majorness for Bible scholars (huge) and its majorness for average Christians (small). It'll definitely get attention from the general public because of its nature, but it won't change the basic theology of the churches. It'll come as news to some folks who were unaware of current Bible scholarship until they see this article, but for most educated Christians I think it's just another piece in the puzzle in understanding the era.
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2008, 04:50:13 pm »

I'm actually slightly confused by a few things, some of which is probably just the NY Times's reporting...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who was slightly confused by the article.

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I think scholastically it's a major find, particularly the "three days" bit if that works out...

I though the "three days" part was the "really new find" as that fact that there were multiple people considered by one group of Jews or another to possibly be the Messiah during that time period wasn't news, at least to me.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 02:09:17 am »

Interesting article, thanks for posting it.

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“His mission is that he has to be put to death by the Romans to suffer so his blood will be the sign for redemption to come,” Mr. Knohl said. “This is the sign of the son of Joseph. This is the conscious view of Jesus himself. This gives the Last Supper an absolutely different meaning. To shed blood is not for the sins of people but to bring redemption to Israel.”
I thought that may be the 'new' thing about the found, although I'm also confused about the article and don't know much about bible studies. Wouldn't it also fit in with the themes of Exodus?
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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2008, 09:26:41 pm »

Interesting article, thanks for posting it.
I thought that may be the 'new' thing about the found, although I'm also confused about the article and don't know much about bible studies. Wouldn't it also fit in with the themes of Exodus?

 This religious stuff really gets to me.If there is a loving God up there why would he make his own son suffer such a horrible

 death and we as his children would go to eternal damnation if he had not none this. would you make your own children

 suffer as a result of what someone else did(Adam and Eve) original sin. I went to Catholic school for seven years and I

 never bought into it, guess I'm going to hell-If it even exists-which I don't believe in either.
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